Episode 7 - Cecilia Rene Samples A Scandal With a Scoundrel

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[00:00:00] Katherine Grant: Welcome to the Historical Romance Sampler Podcast. The place for you to find new historical romance books and authors to fan over. I'm award winning historical romance author Katherine Grant, and each week I'm inviting fellow authors to come on and share a little bit of their work and themselves.

[00:00:21] They'll read a sample of one of their books, and then I'm going to ask them a bunch of questions. By the end of the episode, you'll have a sense of what they write and who they are. Hopefully, you and I both will have something new to read. So what are we waiting for? Let's get into this week's episode.

[00:00:36] All right. Well, today I am joined by Cecilia Rene. Cecilia is a Detroit native who attended Grambling State University and then ventured to the Big Apple with nothing but $120 to her name. And somehow she survived. After working nearly 15 years as a post producer in the New York advertising world, Cecilia continued her love for writing with screenplays until finally she met a group of like minded individuals online before she ventured into publishing herself.

[00:01:07] Always an avid reader of romance and all things spicy, Cecilia fell in love with historical romance and craved to tell her own stories. When she's not writing in her office with her very loud snoring companion, Sadie the Pitbull, Cece can be found hiking the trails of Austin where she now resides with her giant teenager and grumpy husband.

[00:01:28] Cecelia loves romance, humor, and all things spicy. For this reason, she will always give you a happily ever after. Cece, I'm so excited to have you today.

[00:01:39] Cecilia Rene: Thank you. I need to get you to read that for me all the time.

[00:01:45] Katherine Grant: It's a fun one. So what are you going to read for us? And can you tell us what kind of scene you're going to set up?

[00:01:52] Cecilia Rene: Well, I am going to read from a scandal with a scoundrel. My July release a part of the wicked widow's multi author compilation. The scene I'm going to set up is so, it's such a funny scene to me, so I hope it's funny. But the scene I'm going to set up is Winnie and Richard have just finished having some sex.

[00:02:15] And Richard finds out a thing that Winnie did not tell him about and he's not happy. And so I'm going to get the, the end of Winnie's POV and go into Richard's POV which is just kind of funny to me. And I'm like, can you read sex scenes? But I, I'm going to pick it up at the end, so we'll see how it goes.

[00:02:36] All right. I'm excited.

[00:02:37] Katherine Grant: Take it away.

[00:02:39] Cecilia Rene: As she caught her breath, it was then that Winnie noticed she was at the foot of the bed and not the head. How did that happen? Her mask was askew, but still on, she strained it, considering removing it all together. Why was she hiding from him, when he had just had the most intimate experience of her life?

[00:03:00] She no longer wanted to hide herself from him. Richard rose off the bed, and Winnie could not even move to see where he had gone. He returned momentarily, the bed dipping from his sizable weight, as a cool cloth touched her skin, cleaning off the evidence of their activities. Victoria, his voice full of concern, had her turning toward him.

[00:03:24] Looking down at him, she saw what had him concerned. Proof of her virginity coated his now flaccid member. Oh, wouldn't he have forgotten about that one minor impediment of hers? Abruptly, she sat up, needing to be out of the room. Why didn't you tell me? He asked. Watching as she rose, searching for her gown.

[00:03:47] It wasn't of importance. She bent down to step into her dress. Not important? I just fucked you like you were a strumpet. A strumpet? How is that not important to mention? He sat up on the bed, his grey eyes now full of rage. Why does- why does Madame Delacour have a virgin working here? I'm sorry, Richard.

[00:04:08] Goodbye. Victoria, wait! Where are you going? He asked, rising off the bed. I must go, she turned toward the door, opening it and running out of the room as fast as her legs would allow with her gown practically falling off her body. Winnie did not stop to see if he was following her. As she noticed the late hours, she saw the other rooms were open.

[00:04:32] Some occupants coming out into the hall, she did not stop to see who they were, she just kept running. It was time for her to return to her life and put the entire ordeal behind her. Now Richard. Richard tripped over his bare feet as cool air massaged his most intimate body parts. He tried to catch his goddess as she dashed out of the Gretna Green room and down the hall.

[00:04:58] Offending her was not his intention, but he couldn't help his anger. If only he had known she was pure, he wouldn't have been such a bloody beast. Damn it to hell. He was a fool. That she was unbearably tight for a woman of her chosen profession did nothing to deter him. It never occurred to Richard that she could be a virgin.

[00:05:19] A virgin! His legs shook beneath him as he walked down the hall. The thought of her sheath around his cock nearly brought him to his knees. In truth, he had never been with a virgin before. Even as an innocent himself, Richard had always been with women of experience. Dear God, man, put that thing away, the Duke of St. Clair exclaimed, waving his hand toward the lower half of Richard's body. Richard looked down, noticing that he was indeed naked as the day he was born. Damn it. He couldn't think. He had to find her. He needed to see her again. St. Clair, always a pleasure. Richard grumbled at the other dude who was much younger than him before turning around and walking back down the hall.

[00:06:04] Ignoring the whistles and the gasps of the few occupants exiting their own room, Richard rushed back to the Gretna Green room. He wasn't shy. In fact, Richard was rather proud of his body. A regular amount of exercise, fencing, riding, and on occasion, bare knuckle boxing kept him fit. What in God's teeth are you doing?

[00:06:24] Hendershot rushed up behind Richard as he entered the room in search of his clothing. I need to find her right now. Have you seen her? She was wearing a red gown and gold mask with flowing blonde hair. Richard rushed out the words, pulling up his breeches and going in search of his shirt and waistcoat.

[00:06:42] Are you speaking of the woman you were entertaining in the ballroom? The reason you forced me to switch rooms with you, his friend, who was currently free of his own mask, raised an eyebrow at Richard and Challenge. You wanted to switch rooms with me the first, you wanted to switch rooms with me first, if I remember correctly.

[00:07:04] Not caring for his stockings, which he had discarded from before Victoria entered the room, Richard slipped on his black Hessians, marching out into the hall. Where do you think you are going? Hendershot took hold of his arm. Stopping him from sprinting down the hall. Release me, Harrison, he said coldly, using his friend's given name, which he never did.

[00:07:26] Richard could not delay. He had to go find her and take her away from this place. She was his now, of that, he was absolutely certain. Oh, the drama. It is just so much, it tickles me to death for some reason. It's like my favorite scene. I'm just so giddy. I can barely read it. I'm like,

[00:07:46] Katherine Grant: Well, it feels like a Cinderella story, but instead of leaving her shoe behind, she leaves him naked.

[00:07:52] Cecilia Rene: Yes. And that is so funny you said that because I'm writing a Cinderella story and I'm like, man, it really feels like a scandal with a scoundrel a little bit. So I'm writing a black Cinderella story now for another anthology. Ooh, that's exciting. Oh my God. I'm not gonna be the the novella queen. I am not.

[00:08:14] I'm putting my foot down 2024. Is it ? I gotta finish this series behind me. I have to finish this series, but I keep signing up for all these novellas and I'm like, girl, you need to sit down. Need to sit down. .

[00:08:31] Katherine Grant: Well, I have a bunch of questions for you. Before we get into them, let's take a brief pause for our sponsors.

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[00:09:10] Alright, well let's get back to this week's episode.

[00:09:12] Okay, so we are back with Cecilia Rene, who just read a very spicy little segment of her book and I have many questions for you. I'm trying to decide where to start. You mentioned in your bio that you started writing screenplays and you also mentioned before we started that you have also done some fanfic.

[00:09:33] So I'm curious, how do How do the craft of screenplays and the world of fanfic inform your writing of historical romance novels?

[00:09:45] Cecilia Rene: That is funny. I actually keep this one thing that I was told because I, as I was writing my two little screenplays in one TV series, but so I was, shopping them around to all these contests and stuff, and I got really far up in one particular big contest called Scriptapalooza, and I made it to the finals, and they gave me back some feedback, and one of the feedbacks was that I'm very, I'm a very good, I'm very good at dialogue, and I have a clear ear for voice, and that one always stays with me, because I'm like, yeah, that's true, and so, So I take that and like keep it and that's and I feel and to this day I feel like that's the strong point of my writing is the dialogue portion because I can hear their voices so clearly in my head so that one always stays with me and from the script world and another thing that stays with me is Which is kind of crazy, but is the three act structure always stays with me from the script world because I always know act one, act two, act three, like those always, like, those are embedded in me and I take that with me here.

[00:10:56] It's funny, the other day I was like sprinting and my friend, she writes her stuff in five acts and that was kind of like foreign to me. I was like, What? But I'm so good at the three act, I can't pick up another thing. Like, listen, the three act was beat into me. I need to stick with that. But I was like, man, that's interesting.

[00:11:16] I wonder, could I? But we ain't trying nothing new at this moment, because we got six books to write in 2024, and they gotta be written, and I'll get stuck if I get stuck. It'll be like, squirrel, what? So, no. And then, with fanfiction, That's a whole different beast and that's where I kind of met all my really, really good friends.

[00:11:37] I was there for a long time. Nine to ten years. The Bachelor Duke was a fan fiction first. And then I said What if I, this is how I do everything, what if I move to Texas, what if I move to New York, what if I write a historical novel?

[00:11:57] Katherine Grant: Listen, my, my folder on my computer for my first historical, for all of my historical romance stuff is literally called historical romance.

[00:12:04] Can I do it? So, you know, we gotta ask ourselves these questions. We gotta.

[00:12:10] Cecilia Rene: It's just, you know, we join organizations, though, that have classes, and that's the fun part. It's like, we learn stuff. So, and I love learning stuff. So I guess the one thing I took from fan fiction, I don't know, that one's a rough one because I took, I took all my screenwriting stuff with me everywhere I go.

[00:12:30] So much so I was writing with this writer once, or trying to, and she kind of got upset with me and she said, you write like a screenwriter. And I said, well I am a screenwriter. So, so what you want to do about it, you know, like what are we talking about? And I, she was a fan fiction writer and that was kind of discouraging because she was like and I was like, well, but I kept going.

[00:12:51] And with my, with my fan fiction, I kind of write everything with fan fiction. I got a mob. I got a I got a older man, younger woman, and these are all about very popular too. So, you know, it's just, I think with that, I just, with my writing, it's like, I'm not afraid to try anything is the one thing that my fan fiction writing kind of leads me to, but I feel like I was right.

[00:13:17] I was reading my proof of my latest novella that's coming out in December, and I was reading that. And I was like, am I too stiff? Like my, my most popular. I don't know if you noticed, but I really want to write hot. I really do. And I'm like, but my most popular hottest fanfic was like this weird kind of, kind of deady type.

[00:13:45] And it was like, and I'm like, and that was the hottest. And if I read it now, I'm like, Oh my God, this is so hot. I can't believe I wrote this. And I'm like, I want to go, like, I want to go there, but maybe not to the daddy world again, cause I don't know what I was doing, but I think it was like, I think it was a contest and I was like, okay, I'll do it.

[00:14:03] And again, I'll just do anything and I did it well. So but I was reading my latest one and I was like, Do I need to let loose a little bit? But then I read the sex scene of this one and I was like, oh, I think I'm all right. I think I'm all right.

[00:14:18] Katherine Grant: Yeah, I definitely sounds like you're more on the, you're, you're hitting the hot, spicy chili peppers.

[00:14:26] Cecilia Rene: I want to be, but sometimes, here's what it is, I want to be hot, right? I want to write hot, I like to read hot, but sometimes the story takes longer to get there, and I'm always true to the story. That is also my problem. I am always true to the story. So if, like in my book three for the Bachelor series, the girl was mad at the the heroine, the hero, the heroine was mad at the hero.

[00:14:56] All the way in book two, right? So we see them in book two and she don't even talk to him. So then we get to book three, their book, which I'm editing now, and it's like I'm like, listen, they need to have sex in chapter five. And my beta readers are like, she don't even talk to this dude. What are you talking about?

[00:15:13] I'm like, what are you talking about? We gotta get through this whole book. What are we doing here? This is what we doing here. But then I, you know, I had to really like. Look at it in my developmental editor Millie was like, she helped me out a lot because she was like, there has to be a reason for this highly intelligent chemist woman to like have sex with this dude, basically in chapter, I think it may, it might happen in chapter 11 or 12, but she only does it.

[00:15:43] I think she does it after the wedding, I think, in my head, but I haven't opened it in like a month. I gotta get back to it actually, because it comes out in March.

[00:15:54] This is the problem with my life. But it's like, I need, the story dictates me, right? So as much as I want to throw it in in chapter one, which I almost did it here, but then I stopped with a scandal with Iskandar. I stopped, I was like, because I knew, I was like going in, I was like, she is getting evicted.

[00:16:12] She's gonna come up with this grand idea to get pregnant by a stranger. So I knew that going in, even though it's a novella, I only had 35, 000 words. I was like, I can just throw it right at the top. But I couldn't, right? My outline wouldn't let me. And, you know, my conscience made me. So I do want to be. But again, I stay true to the story.

[00:16:34] I found so sad about it.

[00:16:37] Katherine Grant: That's what keeps it historical romance instead of erotica historical romance.

[00:16:41] Cecilia Rene: Exactly. So I'm not erotica. I don't even have that many sex scenes. The Bachelor Duke has one. Then Ruined has. Two or three. It's funny how I know every sex scene in my books though. And then I started getting, then I get a little more hotter with book three is gonna have like, I think we're at four.

[00:17:01] And then these little novellas, they all got like two of them and they way less words. I feel a little freer with them though, you know, the different worlds and I have to start in the, I almost gotta start in the middle with a novella, right? You just had one, so you know, you gotta start.

[00:17:17] Katherine Grant: It's different. I was going to ask you, how do you approach writing a novella versus a novel?

[00:17:23] Cecilia Rene: My friend Jenna Doyle, she always says she's she's contemporary, but she always goes with novellas. Start, you gotta start as close to the end as possible. Like, you gotta already be in it. And so, I always listen to her. I call her Denny. I always listen to her. And I'm like, Denny says you gotta start.

[00:17:44] Anytime I got a friend, an expert, like Louisa Cornell, I be like, Louisa Cornell said. Like, I'm like, Denny said. These people said this, you know, or and. I'm like, Denny said this. I gotta do that. So, I try to go in the middle. It's really Difficult because right now I'm starting the Cinderella story, but my outline is long, it's like really long.

[00:18:06] And I'm like, what is the problem? I know the Cinderella story, but then this is, and there's no sex in this outline yet, y'all, so I don't know what I'm gonna do. So I'm like, what is happening? Because I know the Cinderella story, but it felt like his part was kind of like lacking because, you know, you see Cinderella and it's like.

[00:18:26] They just fall in love with the ball, right? That's it. They fall in love depending on the version. The original version, she's at the ball, and they're in love. The Brandy version he sees her. He sees her. And then, he sees her once, and then he sees her at the ball, right? So there's two, and I've watched them both.

[00:18:45] So mine, I'm like, okay, what am I gonna do? Am I just going to stick to it? I was trying to stick to it, but then I needed more. I needed him because then that was my problem with this. When I'm proofreading now is that it was instant love. And I was like, something doesn't feel right. They fell in love with one day.

[00:19:04] And so I had to make it a second chance romance. Cause that was hard for me. And now with this one, I'm like, okay, I can't make this a second chance romance. What am I going to do so I spread it out a little bit to give it some breathing room and I have them Meeting like two or three other times before the ball, but now it's making it long But I'm not even going to like I'm not even gonna go crazy about it.

[00:19:27] I'm going to like write it out And see how we feel about it. And then if I have to speed up some part. Because I'm thinking that I really can't do the whole glasses slipper portion. You know, because it's a glove actually not. So it's a glove because this is for the gentlemen in gloves anthology.

[00:19:48] That so I'm trying to see if I'm going to do the, the part where he searches, or is it just going to be like, it's her, like, he knows it's her because they've met each other so many times, but it's also going to be another mass situation too. So I try to start as close as possible to answer your question, but it's always like a party, like trying to, especially if it's going to be like a love matches, like.

[00:20:12] Yeah. It's gonna be really quick.

[00:20:15] Katherine Grant: It's a big challenge because you have to pack in the world building, the character development, and the plot. And for it to be a satisfying romance, we have to believe that they have a happily ever after. And so, either they have to have already known each other, or you have to cover a lot of territory really fast.

[00:20:34] Cecilia Rene: Really fast. And then you gotta, it can't go too fast because somebody's gonna say something. Yeah. My friend, my friend Gina just read my my one book series within my quest and we were all at, we were out to dinner and she's like, I have one problem, ma'am. And I was like, what's your problem? And she's like, why isn't it longer?

[00:20:55] I'm like, Gina, please. Like, it's a novella. It's a novella. Okay. Bye. Bye. I had X amount of words and that's all I got, first of all. And then it's like, so at this point I'm trying to get all like use of all the words that I get. If I get 35,000 words, I want to be at 34 9 99. But it's so hard, especially if I'm like, 'cause most of the time I want to time constraint of my own doing.

[00:21:18] Like this last book, I was editing my book to the last second, right? Then I had to switch over and write, and now I'm. I'm outlining this other story, but I'm like, I got to write because this is due January 1st. And so, like, I got to go and I got to get it edited. I got to get it proved. I got to get it, I need to, I need to editors.

[00:21:41] Katherine Grant: So when you have all of these books and all these novellas, Do you feel like your inspiration is coming? Like, do you start with the trope? Do you start with the characters? Do you start with dialogue that's in your head? Like, where does it start?

[00:21:55] Cecilia Rene: Hmm. I think it start, that's Not with a trope, sometimes it starts with the characters if it's like a character from a different what happens to me a lot is if from a previous book or in a book that I'm writing, like some of these characters stand out, right?

[00:22:14] Sometimes people say, That I'm really good at secondary characters, right. I build them up so much and I did that a lot because I was trying to find a way to put characters of color in my, my very white series behind me, the Bachelors So I started playing this like a huge secondary character, black characters in there.

[00:22:35] And then when I made, when I made Secrets of the Marquess, I had decided, I loved it so much, I was like, Listen, I'm about to start making all my characters, at least the one character of color, I'm about to really make that happen, but, you know, this, this series is predominantly white, but then book four is all black, so that had already, I had already put that in play.

[00:22:57] And then I say, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm going to make all these novellas I'm signing up for, I'm going to make all the, like, at least these characters, at least the heroines, they're going to be heroines of color. That is about to happen. But then with Scandal with a Scoundrel, I must have did that before.

[00:23:15] I made this vow to myself, and I was like, Oh man, Winnie's white. Oh my goodness. What am I gonna do? So what did I do? I gave Winnie a crazy best friend, a black madam, that was just, just, just so wonderful. And so it starts off with Getting these characters from these other books, right, because her, the Black Madam Kitty, her book comes out in November in the second round of Wicked Widows, right?

[00:23:43] And so I'm like, oh my goodness, it really does start off with characters are like, taking it from other books, but also it starts like, in my head, I can come up with like It'd just be, if I read somebody else's book, it'd be like, what if, I like what they did there, but what if it was like this, or something like that, and I'd just take it and run with it the bachelor duke came from Watching a documentary on Chatsworth one day like, I get ideas from, I get ideas from, I get ideas from anything and I just go with it.

[00:24:14] I just go with it. It's just so crazy and I, and that's how I come up with, I, I, I'm full of ideas. It's really, it's really scary sometimes, I'm like, ooh, what if, what if, and then I'm like, you know what, you better sit down, like, I just keep coming up with them, and I didn't see how far it could take me.

[00:24:33] Katherine Grant: There's not enough time in the day to write all the stories that we have in our heads, right?

[00:24:37] Cecilia Rene: There is, I got a new one in my head, and boy I really want to research it first to see if it's, I'm like, should I tell you what it is? You wanna know what it is? Yeah. I'm kind of obsessed with it right now. So, you know, the Buccaneers. I really like the original Buccaneers, and then I was watching this new one, which is a little kind of different and more modern, of course. And I'm like, man, these, and the poor American actors are trying their hardest to do the language, but they can't really do the language. But but it is, it's still a pretty good show.

[00:25:09] I, I mean, if anything can grab my attention, because you see me, I'm everywhere, so I'm out if I don't like something. So I, I watched it all, all the episodes that are streaming now. But then I was sitting there and another idea came to me and I was like, but what if? What if they were like black heiresses?

[00:25:28] Like, I wonder if they existed. And so then I'm like, well you need to find them. So I talk to myself all the time, right, because I'm crazy. And I'm like, you need to find it. You need to find if there were black heiresses existed and did any go to London to get married and marry anyone in the aristocracy?

[00:25:48] Like, that would be huge, because I'm like, what if I had a series like that? Because everybody makes these series of these dollar princesses, but they're all white. But what if there were some that were black, you know? And it's, it's hard though, because you're like Cause they would take off, right? Because all the stuff they got to deal with in America, I would get on a boat in two seconds.

[00:26:08] Right. So I'm like, do they exist and can I find them? And so that's my new obsession right now. And just trying to find, just trying to see if I can find that story, but I just came up with this like the other day. I love it. I don't know if it's going to be something I can do. Thank you. And. I'm always looking for these stories because I need to see it, right?

[00:26:32] I need to, my imagination isn't like Beverly Jenkins or Vanessa Riley, like these, these like, they create these characters and it's just so wonderful, but I almost have to see that it was somebody like it. That actually existed like so, cause in the one I just was proofing it's called a ridicule for scandal.

[00:26:53] The father is a black inside in the British army. And I only found that out because I emailed you know, Bill Haggart and I was like, Hey, can you help me? I'm looking for something, but you know, trying to find a black soldier and he sent me a bunch of stuff. And I went digging and I was on this YouTube and then I found this black soldier like I had to I had to see that there was actually a person even though he has a very small part in my book, though, because he's just a father, but it's like I needed to see that this man could it

[00:27:26] have existed. Yeah, he could. So I need to see, I really need to see like kind of palatable things in my hand. Okay, they were there at least. Yeah. And that they did have a happily ever after and make it, you know, I could make their story and I can run with it. Then I can make their story. But even if they weren't there, I probably could still create me some black dollar princesses.

[00:27:49] Katherine Grant: Yeah, I feel like you will probably be able to find them, but even if you don't, I hope you do invent them, because why couldn't they exist?

[00:27:58] Cecilia Rene: Yeah, why couldn't they? That's true. That's true. Why couldn't they?

[00:28:01] Katherine Grant: It's time for our segment, Are You a Romantic? Are you a romantic?

[00:28:10] Which do you trust more? Your heart, your gut, or your brain? Do you believe in love at first sight?

[00:28:20] Cecilia Rene: No.

[00:28:22] Katherine Grant: Do you think there's a difference between lust and love? Yes. Do you believe in soulmates?

[00:28:36] Do you believe in true love and is it different from soulmates?

[00:28:40] Cecilia Rene: Hmm. I do believe in true love. I think it could be different from soulmates though because it might not be the person you're with and it may not be even romantic.

[00:28:51] Katherine Grant: True love with, it might be with someone who's not romantic or your soulmate would be someone you're not romantic.

[00:28:56] Cecilia Rene: True love.

[00:28:57] Katherine Grant: Okay. Oh, interesting. What makes an apology meaningful?

[00:29:02] Cecilia Rene: Hmm.

[00:29:07] Sincerity, and like, you just have to be really sincere, and, and you have your actions, it's all about your actions, right? If you say I'm sorry, your actions don't follow up when it didn't. It doesn't really mean anything, but if you're really sincere about it, and really, and your action follows it, and you're honest, because I'm all of, I'm the worst liar in the world, so I'm all about honesty, and I always have to lead with the truth.

[00:29:36] Like, I'm like, look, this is what happened. So, you know, you got to be sincere. Your actions have to follow it. And you have to be honest, and that is the true meaning of an apology, in my opinion. I like it.

[00:29:52] Katherine Grant: All right, and this is the final question. Why is romantic love important?

[00:29:59] Cecilia Rene: I mean, because we all need something to take us out of the dreary everyday life, the mundane.

[00:30:06] I mean, it's so important, right? And plus, don't you want to be with somebody happily ever after? Don't you? don't you though?

[00:30:18] Katherine Grant: Yes. All right. Well, I'm going to declare you, you're, I'm going to call you a pragmatic romantic.

[00:30:26] Cecilia Rene: Yeah.

[00:30:28] Katherine Grant: You're pretty romantic, but you also, I wasn't surprised that you said you didn't believe in love at first sight because you said you had trouble with the insta love trope, which I do too.

[00:30:37] Cecilia Rene: It's hard to believe. This guy right here is insta-love, he had a ball and he sees this girl, he had vowed never to marry for 10 years and all of a sudden he saw one girl and he's like, I'm getting married. So you know what? But that was the last time I did that. This time I couldn't do it with him, but I think the way it turned out actually was way better.

[00:31:00] Because then they had this history from five years ago. And once I get the rights back from it, I was thinking about doing a A before and a after. I mean, I don't know if I have time to write it.

[00:31:14] Katherine Grant: One day.

[00:31:16] Cecilia Rene: To be honest, if I wanted the book to come out this year. But I do think I want it to be like that.

[00:31:21] Like I can write five years before. And then this book that I just finished would just be plopped in the after. Nice. Maybe. I got all these ideas, here we go again.

[00:31:35] Katherine Grant: Well, Cece, thank you so much for joining me today. Oh, thanks for having me. How can our listeners or viewers find out more about you?

[00:31:44] Cecilia Rene: They can find out more about me at my website, which I always mix up because I'm a crazy person, but I believe it's CeciliaReneAuthor.

[00:31:52] com. And I'm always on Facebook as Cecilia Rene, I'm on Instagram as Cecilia Rene. Bye. And BookBub is Cecilia Rene. So all the places that Miss Cecilia Rene is, you can find me there. And I'm on my Amazon as Cecilia Rene.

[00:32:08] Katherine Grant: Well, this has been fantastic. I really appreciate it. Thank you again for giving me your time.

[00:32:14] Cecilia Rene: Thanks for having me. You're so wonderful to invite me.

[00:32:17] That's it for this

[00:32:21] Katherine Grant: week. Check out the show notes where I put links for my guests, myself, and the podcast. Until next week, happy reading.

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